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Whilst the Covid vaccines were based on a valid mechanism of action, the companies behind them (Pfizer, Johson and Johnson etc) are still the same as the ones that produce the psychiatric drugs.

Knowing how they act and conduct themselves in their studies to get psych drugs to market, there’s no reason to think they would act much differently with the vaccine (ignoring side effects, statistical manipulation etc).

It was also how people were coerced from companies that you must have the vaccine or lose your job or stranded in countries where they could not leave unless they had an injection, along with the idea that everyone in low risk groups (children, babies) must be vaccinated, that I think contributed towards animosity toward Covid vaccines.

Patrick Hahn provides a deep analysis on this topic in his book, and one case I remember was this one where, given her age, she didn’t seem to be hugely at risk: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-57853285

I don’t disagree in principle with vaccinations of course, but the way these companies prove efficacy to bring their psychiatric drugs to market should, at the very least, make one wary of how they prove efficacy for any other drug (especially without standard clinical trials), be it vaccine or not.

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The preface and introduction of the Maudsley guide to deprescribing should be required reading for anyone being offered psychotropics. As you say, if people knew how difficult it is to come off them, they would definitely have second thoughts about starting.

It brings to mind a discussion I had with some Americans that I was doing business with who asked my opinion about US intervention in Iraq in 2003. My response was "It's much easier to start a war than finish it". Same with psychotropics.

People should be informed about the probability of weight gain. Data from the drug industry underplays its significance, but my impression is that weight gain is more or less assured, often with catastrophic effect. When an individual is so affected, the impact for them is no longer merely a statistical probability , it's an absolute reality.

Health care is delivered in silos. GPs defer to specialists and aren't inclined to question entrenched processes of decision making that are rooted in myths about a biological model of mental illness.

As I see it, there is cost shifting in three directions from mental health services

1. to GPs to manage metabolic and other consequences of psychotropics

2 to social services that have to contend with many folk who become unemployable

3 to the PBS for drugs that cost- what ? $12000 to $15000 per year per person for drugs that are scarcely better than placebo.

Not to mention the burden upon families and the community.

If people want pills, how about trying placebos first while helping them to get a handle on their well being?

Multiple state and commonwealth governmental reports have described systemic failures of mental health services throughout the country. In South Australia there are attempts to acknowledge and address shortcomings with the introduction of lived experience into policy development and service delivery. This is an area that interests me and there are some "green shoots", albeit under the umbrella of the Mental Health Act.

It might be a crazy idea, but what if people demand support for their health and well being in each of the dimensions suggested. There could be reallocation of resources that would produce much better outcomes? Its political.

What happened in dentistry ( my past life) is that people started to abhor the idea of having their teeth replaced by dentures. Fluoridation came along, which meant that waiting rooms were no longer packed with people needing cavities filled or teeth extracted. Private practitioners then made hygiene the core of their business model, even if it wasn't the main profit centre. Practitioners switched to identifying with the concept of preventive dentistry. The practice of dentistry as it was conceived when I graduated, is now well and truly redundant.

Maybe there are parallels? It's a long game.

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