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Steve Wolf's avatar

I recall reading an interview with a psychiatrist once where he claimed that any patient that didn't recognize and respect status, hierarchy and authority; that had an inclination towards social justice, was incontrovertibly autistic.

At the time I just thought, for fuck's sake, you're just a self-important nerd that's medicalising people you feel threatened by, that you can't smugly dominate.

I still think that, but I believe there's more to it. I think that, while most people are strongly neurobiologically hardwired for status, hierarchy, power, tribalism, and group-identity conformity, for others that wiring is a lot weaker, and it manifests itself as greater independence and individuality, and less need for belonging and external validation.

They have a hard life though, because society is like an immune system that tries to expel deviance and anomalies. However if it wasn't for these people humanity would still be living in caves: there is no progress without deviation, and the fact is, whether at the bottom or the top of the social hierarchy, most people just want to conform, belong, be loyal to the tribe, and do things the way they've always been done.

Which is why the mental health system is so destructive. All sorts of people with all sorts of problems have a brush with psychiatry, but a significant subset are independent, creative individualists that have gone off the rails. Put them in an environment populated by clinicians and staff that are unreconstructed authoritarian conformists with a monomanical lust to level autonomy and idiosyncracy, and the outcomes are certainly not going to resemble healing and individual flourishing.

In fact there's been enough social psychology experiments done in the past that show even "good" people in bureaucratic and institutional environments can turn into power mad sadists.

There's also been studies that show the ruling class have an unusually high saturation of narcissistic and psychopathic personalities. Hardly surprising, given their preoccupation with power, control, and domination. Working as a market gardener just wouldn't deliver the same thrill.

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Micheal C's avatar

I think that the population is far more diverse than you envision. There is a whole spectrum of innate behaviour or tendencies in the population. It is very difficult to tease out the nature vs.nurture causes. For centuries we have been immersed in a socioeconomic system, i.e capitalism, that materially rewards and culturally supports antisocial behaviour so this clouds our analytical perspective. We have also been subject to a system of propaganda (i.e. economics) that is meant to justify and glorify this behaviour. The material and cultural results lead to and supports egomania, narcissism that makes people believe that they deserve to dominate others (and nature), that it is their destiny, i.e elitism, western exceptionalism. Of course feudalism preceded capitalism and we had brutal warlords turn into monarchs.

Wise words to consider. “Philosophers who have examined the foundations of society, Rousseau said, have all felt the need to return to the state of nature, but none of them ever got there.” Sahlins p. 75, 1972

Lord of the Flies is fiction of course, plausible, but not evidence. If it were ethical to run that experiment, the results would likely be all over the place, primarily because we have agency. In any case we cannot change Nature, so we must focus on socioeconomic and cultural systems that constrain these destructive antisocial tendencies, and support constructive nurturing and healing. Perhaps then people can be free.

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