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great post, it's a self interested psychopathic mess

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From memories of studying psychology 4 decades back, the UK textbook defined Psychopathy as "A genetic level disorder that greatly reduces or prevents empathy".

And Sociopathy as "Learned reduction of empathy".

I've had the misfortune to bump into a number of very clear psychopaths, with the aversion to their behaviour and characteristics you'd expect. But one of them, a young Danish man, did not KNOW he was a psychopath. The Danes around all knew (The most empathic western culture by far), but he was just so.... incapable in social situations. Misread them completely. It took me >6 months to finally put my finger on why he was so "wrong". But he was really just socially awkward, and don't ask him what anyone else was feeling. Was he much of a danger to anyone? No.

As the textbook said "Psychopaths can learn to emulate socially normal behaviour if raised in a supportive environment". He is the only example I've encountered of that, and purely because Danish society so strongly emphasises empathy it sticks out when an individual of that culture does not. Needless to say, in the UK or other Western countries, he would not have turned out just "awkward".

Sociopathy is considerably more interesting, imo. If psychopathy can be considered "objective" (In that the psychopath simply lacks the genetic code, there's nothing can be done about that), then sociopathy can be considered "subjective" - in that the sociopath has be trained to devalue CERTAIN people, communities, groups. A psychopath is a psychopath to everyone, a sociopath is a sociopath to you if they behave sociopathically to you. It was well reported that WW2 Nazi prison camp guards could be loving and caring parents to their own family. With as much psychological trauma as slaughterhouse workers have - because their victims have been "dehumanised".

But this is entirely learned behaviour. Babies have no concept of "races" (Batshit notion to begin with), nor "religion" (Fanfic stories), nothing that once their story-telling abilities take off later in life will cause them to dehumanise other people.

And some schooling quite specifically increases that potential for sociopathy off the scale: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/aug/08/public-schoolboys-boris-johnson-sad-little-boys-richard-beard

So in summary, psychopathy is an incurable genetic deformity that in decent societies barely registers as a problem. Sociopathy is a learned behaviour, and societies with social stratification are going to increase that behavioural element to protect unearned privileges.

And is psychiatry psychopathic? Absolutely. If there is one quality absent from psychiatrists, it is empathy.

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