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Yay - an essay from Dr McLaren on my bday! Life is good. :)

Niall, I could write an even longer essay in reply, although frankly these topics are best discussed over a bottle of wine and a smoke. ;)

"Thinking machines" - was that a Dune reference? <3

Can I ask if you have read Robert Pirsig's 2 fantastic little books - 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance', and 'Lila'? You seem to be VERY close to his positions - but you never mentioned "Quality" so it's not clear.

Well, in Lila he blows Materialist Determinism out of the water with maximum prejudice - and much more importantly, gives rock solid alternatives... without being preachy.

If you HAVE read them, what I'm about to say will be a memory jog, if not I hope to make them attractive to pick up to see what he's/I'm on about.

So ZAMM is pretty much a dualist position, albeit one of the greatest books EVER written. Purest Quality.

But in LILA, the later book, he explores a few other ideals. For one, he switches from the dualist model of ZAMM, and changes gears to the 4(+1) of the ancient pagan model. But he plays with that, and never mentions the theological aspect - because he's not promoting Paganism, but a 4 LAYER REALITY using the same principles.

So there is not just "Mind, and Matter" but other equally important elements too, and by removing those other elements, the model works just as well as a car would without an engine or fuel just the shell and the driver.

I stuck to my dualist guns even through college and degree, and yeah, I've taken the thrown brikbats by overtrained and career-conscious semi-simpletons with their 'simple' claims.

But there are more models of Reality than either egotistical Monotheism, or Zoroastrian-based Dualism, as 'religion' was usually the tool for exploring such fields in history. There is the earth, air, fire, water + spirit of Paganism.

And there is also the 10-fold structure of reality of the Western Qabbalah too, which incorporates to my knowledge everything of all of the above.

Spend a few years with all that rattling around in your head, and then sit down to argue with a Materialist who proclaims only Matter exists, and you'll soon notice they are exactly as wise as a Christian theologist proclaiming "there is only one god, God"... except in reverse.

It is heartbreaking to meet fantastically clever people, who use the most mindbogglingly moronic arguments *Because they have been educated very badly*.

It's actually quite deliberate brainwashing, imo.

Reading back the above, I've realised its a bit choppy, and relies heavily on those two books to make much sense, because sadly I simply don't have the TIME right now to write a proper essay, and find the links/notes to explain it all.

TL;DR no, "It's" not just matter. But nor is "It" probably a dualism either (Apart from the ancient Taoist wisdoms). As Macluhen said, - or was it Leary? - "The Map is not the Territory", rather typically humans are fighting over a map of territory, rather than simply exploring that territory with an open mind.

OH! Before making your eyes bleed with a wall of text, I'll quickly add that Determinism AND Free Will are able to co-exist in the same philosophical framework without clashing.

But this requires a bit of creative thinking.

Consider the meaning of "Infinity" for a few seconds, until you reach the level of insanity required to encompass it.

OK. Now posit that the Universe is actually a Polyverse - there are multiple near-identical Polyverses.

Now posit that EVERY choice that EVERY creature across the Universe makes a separate entire Universe branch. Each time. Now you can see why it's important to be considering what "Infinity" means.

That's the background model, taken to its ultimate extent. (Irl many of the choices could be 'hacked' into a considerably reduced range of universes, but lets leave it at max to keep it simple).

NOW, posit a consciousness that sits astride ALL of these universes, and Time/Space itself - use whatever name for that you want, VALIS, Gawdess, Ego... whatever floats the boat.

That Universal Consciousness is aware of EVERY SINGLE CHOICE YOU COULD POSSIBLY MAKE during this lifetime. Every single choice is played out - including every possible choice of interacting with others.

Still with me on the thought-experiment Doctor?

Now I'm going to do what Einstein/Hawkins did with gravity [wells], reverse the perspective of the common model.

You DO get to choose in this model, whichever your individual path through the maze of choices in your particular experience. Obviously, there is a near-infinite number of Dr Niall McLaren's who chose slightly differently and they went off in their own path in their own Universe within the Polyverse.

But it is ALSO Deterministic, in that every possible choice has been predetermined.

Coming from the DiceMan (Another glorious book!), you give the dice the 6 choices. You can't choose to roll a 7 on one die. The choice is made by the die, but you have determined all possible outcomes.

Anyway, that is one way that free will and determinism can be unified, philosophically.

If anyone should so want to do.

Most people aren't interested in exploring new ideas, they just want to have the ego boost of having the "RIGHT" idea (Or even just argument) which they can smash others down with.

Oh look at that! Ends on the biocognitive model. :D

Jose Francisco Sousa Alves's avatar

Good article. A few questions though, two derived from the table comparing your model with psychiatry's.

(1) If your model uses psychological treatment, why should traditional psychiatry exist at all? There should be only psychology, no psychiatry, right?

(2) You're a psychiatrist, I guess. So, following your own model, you don't, ever, prescribe medication (to address psychological problems). Am I right?

(3) Thomas S. Szasz. Was he also critical on psychiatry? Ultimately, did he have his own model?

Thanks

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